This is between you and the Lord. Or maybe both. It is so contrary to what the Brethren used to teach us. Want more? For a teenage girl to say that she’s over it is for her to say that she’s past the conceit of following orders in the name of worshiping the MC in question, because the music business has become a means for myth-building for the purpose of extracting wealth from the public. I should have done so. I did, however, repeat the phrase out loud Adam used at the altar as he, and I, offered the fourth sign. log, I know my calling and election. I felt he was talking to the Lord, and the power rested upon us all.” Joseph could have this kind of prayer because he really knew the Lord personally and talked to Him as one man talketh to his friend. Again, I thank you for all you allow, share and teach!!! So this makes a lot of sense. And I’m not talking about a generalized sort of sacrifice. I will eagerly await your next post. Mother’s life work was to do her family history. Not having attended church or the temple in recent years is not a hindrance. Thank you Lord for answering my prayers. His love is vast and his direction constant. “And maybe you know this but the path of the truly righteous is filled with paradoxes … it is almost humorous the way God breaks His own “commandments” I don’t have any idea what this means??? My own journey has just begun and I believe your writings are relevant and I thank you for your honesty and example. As far as question four, I don’t think Carol has even read my post. * I’ll admit I don’t like the English words “feel” or “feeling.” They’re too ambiguous. In that experience I felt an overwhelming manifestation of the Savior’s love for me and a sure knowledge of his forgiveness. I am in awe of God who gives liberally to any and all who seek truth. It is required to proceed to the veil. I was blessed to do hundreds, perhaps thousands of those names as well. We pray to our Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Ghost. Rodney (and others) — the true order of prayer is teaching symbolically the way in which heaven and earth commune. Feb 14, 2020 - Explore Amy Hervey's board "Prayer", followed by 299 people on Pinterest. It’s kind of hilarious that the artist in the song is Lorde. The more I seek for truth the more I find similarities across cultures. I was also fasting for a conversation I had scheduled with one of my readers. You just blew a couple of doors off my minds hinges and I’m grateful for that. I am grateful you asked me for suggestions on how you should pray. He may not always answer as we expect, but He does answer—in His own time and according to His will. I now know how it is to be used. Someone shared with me, just last night, a wonderful resource entitled The Home Sanctuary: Temple of the Family Kingdom by R. Craig Mills, 1996. That’s why Denver suggested it takes years of maturity in the gospel to recognize the deception and cast it out. Note: This activity may be copied or printed from the Internet at Original Source: Seventies Record, Book B, 28 Dec. 1845, LDS archives, typed copy.  Online Source:  Click here for one. A House of Prayer I am so thankful for my parents making a house of Prayer when I was a young kid. It sounds like you’ve been studying and ruminating over many of these things for years (especially this particular post). At the end, when the person says amen, the rest of the group says amen as well. I may get another one of those calls to come see the Bishop. I’m looking forward to General Conference this weekend. He said, “Pray in your families unto the Father, always in my name, that your wives and your children may be blessed” (3 Nephi 18:21). I was asking for wisdom and knowledge and came across just that. The prayer course taught here is based on a structure of the Four Steps of Prayer which are the following four elements in sequence: 1. I am grateful beyond measure. The moon we love like a brother, while he glows through the room, Dancin’ around the lies we tell I would also prefer to have a proper altar in my home, but I do not have a space that can be dedicated, meaning, it will be used for nothing else but the true order of prayer. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not. Personal, private prayer is an essential part of our spiritual development. ). I’m overwhelmed by the response and thank everyone for the emails. There are many who can contribute here without breaking any covenants. You simply need to have been instructed sufficiently and to exercise faith unto repentance and obedience. The other reason is much deeper and it will take time and much pondering to receive. I previously made a comment to the effect that the temple, the true order of prayer are external representations of an internal process. I went into the weekend with comments from this blog in my heart and seeking for answers (i’m just that way, God talks to me / sends messages from just about everywhere). How to pray. At times, Heavenly Father will counsel, guide, or comfort us while we are on our knees. I like your plan to fast on Sunday. Up until Sunday night I was willing to give up my blog if asked or required. Skip to comments. My experience .. we all come with both baggage and GOLD. I’ve written a whole book about this, but to be brief, another possible layer of interpretation is: Eve = subjective perception/entity, “emotion” 13 And it came to pass when they were all baptized and had come up out of the water, the Holy Ghost did fall upon them, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and with fire. “That order also defines bounds of revelation. Where did the Holy Ghost fall from to enter their hearts? Anyway, to the point. Whether he really meant it or not, you’ll have to decide for yourself. I hope this helps. We discussed what went on in the temple many times. There is no doubt this works. As we make a habit of approaching God in prayer, we will come to know Him and draw ever nearer to Him. We purchase the pearl by doing exactly this. I’m sure I’ll figure it out sooner or later. Trust me, because of her teachings and example, I understood it and loved it. That your home is a sacred place like the temple. Forgive my writing, Tim has done an incredible thing, but words often get in the way. He will speak to you in His own way and His own time. There was no doubt that someone was there with me. OK. I’ve taught you – now for my testimony and witness. All things taught therein culminate in the exercising of them at the veil. The temple is all about us. We should ask our Heavenly Father to bless and comfort those in need. Tell me you haven’t Googled it yourself and saved a copy on your local drive for study and comparison between the new films, the 1990 version and the various pre-1990 versions out there. 2 Nephi 18:20 And you know, and you know, and you know, The comment about hands in the air was in response to a question about sustaining the Church leaders in the upcoming General Conference. The side of the bed I pray at is actually the side my wife sleeps on. Lorde is the name of the artist. How can this be? I’ve made up my mind that when the Lord asks me to share something, I’m going to do as He asks, come what may. Thanks to all for sharing your experiences. Have you considered what the other parts are? I had been doing it wrong for so many years because I was not standing when offering the signs. Please don’t leave a comment telling me I’ve violated my covenants. There has to be 100 plus life experiences (spiritual and / or demonic) that one could google via and not a single phrase or experience is in the scriptures? You have been instructed sufficiently to converse with the Lord in the true order of prayer. This morning I re-asked this question to myself… “what is the true order of prayer?” and searched the church website…, I came accross a talk by Elder Russell M. Nelson and humbly share…, Said he,.. (quote) Jesus taught us how [to pray]. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working. Thank you for posting this! On the one hand it is very simple, but taking this step deepens the place, refines us further and further. A guy asks him about sustaining leaders, and here is a popular song by “Lorde” so he quips, the Lorde recently said, “I’m kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air, So there. When all three are present, the heavens are opened. Advance no principle but what you can prove, for one scriptural proof is worth ten thousand opinions. I have also wondered where I could place a “real” altar in my home. That has always been good enough for the Lord’s prophets. We each are Adam and Eve. ” (DHC 2:196), (I believe this invitation applies to women as well as men. The record does not give us such details. We are not just being taught to whom we pray or that the order of prayer means to express gratitude first and then voice petitions. We (members of the church), we have become so dogmatic, and addicted to rules, steps, processes. Tim, I knew you were going to get there! and I sincerely mean that! Always give thanks to Heavenly Father. It makes no sense to be ‘taught from on high’ and never use what is learned. I love this kind of powerful prayer. Thank you!! I don’t walk ahead of anyone, and have just as many warts and zits as the next guy. It felt too much like magic, and made me feel a bit tricked, that maybe the reason I haven’t gotten clear answers to my prayers recently is that I didn’t stand or make the right sign. Yeah there are several reasons why we veil our faces! Heaven will and does open to women just as it will for men. Such a prayer,” Mary said, “I have never heard before or since. It is not an easy thing to do, to know those you stand in the circle with and who you hold the priesthood with. Quickly, one can not engage in this process without asking, receiving and experiencing deeper realities. “I cried unto him in mighty prayer and supplication for mine own soul; and all the day long did I cry unto him; yea, and when the night came I did still raise my voice high that it REACHED THE HEAVENS.” (Enos 1:4). I hadn’t thought of dedicating an altar. It’s a shame, but true. (Luke 17:21). (I used to fully believe in the teaching that the Church would not be allowed to fall into a general apostasy again in these last days, but as I’ve become more familiar with the scriptures, I’ve found no such promise–though that doesn’t necessarily mean it WILL fall, either.) I know what my mission is. You do not need a current temple recommend. Incidentally, the instructions are that the company is to consider themselves as if they were, respectively (not individually), Adam and Eve – which is, in other words, that the men should consider themselves as if they were Adam, and the women should consider themselves as if they were Eve. 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! He began his career as a programmer but switched to tech support many years ago. Instead, we should offer a simple, heartfelt prayer. BTW: In your post you mentioned that you had something that God wants you to post that you would post the next day, as it is now 2 days further and there is still no post I am hoping it will come later today. It is contrary to the nature of learning. Our desires will become more like His. 2. You can’t be. When praying with a group of people only the person saying the prayer speaks. God is the only one to whom we owe our loyalties. There was no trepidation. I would imagine that everything you’ve been through to receive this knowledge is worth the price you have paid. I can be short with salespeople on the phone sometimes. In this day of computers, phones, and pagers, people communicate with one … I have been trying to get it written over the last two days. Now I know. I continue to be overwhelmed by personal emails and don’t feel in my heart I can ignore them. You are already helping others, and will help even more. We should express our thanks to Him. (1 Corinthians 6:19). That you’ll send the call out Yes, you can use what you learn in the temple in your own home. I would love to be able to have these wonderful things you have shared in my home. Thanks for sharing. I’m pretty sure that we use certain symbols (ie words, scriptures, etc.) That’s no typo. I am Adam. If we pray in English, for example, we should use the pronouns of the scriptures when we address God—Thee, Thou, Thy, and Thine, rather than the more common pronouns you, your, and yours. So there Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. And you know, we’re on each other’s team When we receive this opportunity, we should remember that we are communicating with Heavenly Father, not giving a public sermon. Thank you for your candor! or, lo there! We do it because we, as women, are like the veil that the children of God come to the earth through. I can see it won’t get published tonight as I intended when I sat down at the computer several hours ago. Nick Literski says: ... who were fully ignorant of the history and insisted that this ritual had never been performed outside of LDS temples. In the area where I live, we had a first Adventure Film Festival. Sure, it’s nice to offer Him a seat without first having to brush off yesterday’s paper. Seek the guidance of the Holy Ghost so we will know what to include in our prayers. “May all who come within these sacred walls feel a peaceful, hallowed influence. Towards the end of the temple endowment the officiator calls up couples from the audience to stand in a circle to pray. I am so pleased that you chose to talk about this. I’ve been through several different blogs, and so far I like yours the most, in that you seem the most “on the level.” By that, I mean in your disagreements with some aspects of the Church, you don’t reject the most important things. For some time now. I asked her if she still wanted the blessing. The ‘committee’. This council was given to those members of the “anointed quorum” in Nauvoo. As it states under the topic of "Prayer" at "As we make a habit of approaching God in prayer, we will come to know Him and draw ever nearer to Him. It’s a sacred experience to me. Oh my goodness! There are at least five other online sources for this quote. The Lord has made it clear to me this is not pleasing, even if they are calling from India. Well, the Internet has changed everything. I intend to make it sure. Amen. Be content with the peace and joy that fills your soul as you worship the Lord in your own home, which can and should be more sacred than the temple. The Lord has been very kind to me and I don’t want to stand before Him some day and be asked why I opposed His chosen leaders and stood with those who found fault with them. But since I hit planet earth, this time around, burned into my body and soul is a deep testimony of identity and relationship; who I am here, and who I am there. Eve = subconscious mind I haven’t. Now, don’t expect the portal to open immediately. Thanks for asking me for more details. If there is an order or ceremony to pray that will bring us closer to communing with God and our redeemer then I can’t think of anything more essential. My wife is far wiser than me. I’ve related before, I had what many would call the “born of the spirit” experience at Rick’s College. Elder Nelson has taught truth, but not all truth, meaning there is more we learn in the temple and more our Heavenly Father will teach us. You can find him online every day on various internet communities and blogs, especially in the tech area. I grew up feeling very comfortable with the concepts of the temple. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! May I add a few lines from the dedicatory prayer of my local temple, the Los Angeles temple, dedicated by President McKay in 1956, the year before I was born. I have already sent him a link privately to your post. I usually experience an open heaven during worship, with or without that, so I hadn’t made a connection before. She is not convinced of anything even if I show it to her in black and white. Take your time, experiment on the word and experience. I know there is way more to it. He is the only way to do this, women are the only way we get to this earth. The adults did not have the faith to understand. It was what we would consider a temple ordinance. We live in cities you’ll never see on screen I read most of it last night but will take another look this evening to see what it says about children participating in family prayer circles where the signs of the priesthood are used. It requires faith in Jesus Christ and a desire to be taught. I hope more church members will realize the opportunity they’re passing by. Where did Christ say heaven was which the listeners couldn’t understand? It might just mean that the power of your godliness starts to be manifest to you through the ordinances. It’s been two generations since LDS prayer circles were cast out of the world and relegated to temple-ritual status. I perform this ordinance out loud. The only answer I’ve gotten is its a sign of respect. I remember this General Conference address from Elder Nelson you linked. Likewise, you will not receive true messengers until you offer obedience and sacrifice that shows the Lord you are serious about parting the veil and conversing with him. You must ask this question for yourself. I haven’t tried that yet. Thanks for letting me say this. Thanks for sharing intimate thoughts and actions with us. Sacred things are vital for all to know who want everlasting lfe and the eternal round to commence. That makes what goes on in the temple very important for us. People have been raised from the dead through Priesthood ministrations – God works through prayer and faith. A path of study is to look up Hugh Nibleys study of the Early Christian Prayer Circle in BYU Studies and D. Michael Quinn”s research inspired by Brother Nibleys work on Early Mormon prayer Circles published in the same periodical long before he had troubles with the church. Forgiving the guardian of the institution for harming my sweet innocent wife who did nothing to deserve this. Next, offer up the signs of the priesthood as you have been taught. What you say is the goal each of us should be striving to achieve through the grace of God. We have experienced opposition. There is a very well written piece on the endowment, title and blog below, that i’d highly recommend reading. The Lord promised to heal me, showed me how it would be accomplished and then told me what my mission in life was to be. May God bless you. I have just never known quite how to do it, and have been worried about crossing a line. “The Holy Ghost did fall upon them and enter their hearts.”.. “the Holy Spirit of God did come down from heaven”. We will be able to secure for ourselves and for others blessings that He is … I honestly feel as though I’ve been robbed of years of learning, of insights and strength I could’ve gained, had I realized I was able to discuss what I’d learned. So all the cups got broke shards beneath our feet but it wasn’t my fault Curious. Thanks for sharing your insights and revelations, as well as your speculations. Yes, I was seventeen when I first learned about this, even before I was endowed. This process of analyzing my first experience of a successful execution of the True Order of Prayer in my home has been most helpful. Heavenly Father, when Thy people shall not have the opportunity of entering this holy house to offer their supplications unto Thee, and they are oppressed and in trouble, surrounded by difficulties or assailed by temptation and shall turn their faces towards this Thy holy house and ask Thee for deliverance, for help, for Thy power to be extended in their behalf, we beseech Thee, to look down from Thy holy habitation in mercy and tender compassion upon them, and listen to their cries. I believe we are to take that scripture literally. She prepared me in so many ways. May I add two things, not directed at you but just in general about my prayer experience. Now I know! Thanks for asking and for reading my blog. 5 And again the third time they did hear the voice, and did open their ears to hear it; and their eyes were towards the sound thereof; and they did look steadfastly towards heaven, from whence the sound came. I’m not sure if I can write the things I feel in my heart right now. But the clear references to the locality of heaven do not point inward. Denver relates what a heavy price that is, though, “I did not have any idea the difficulties and sacrifices involved in trading faith for knowledge. Our children will learn to communicate with their Father in Heaven. That idea really resonated with me. I mean, it is incredible. Remember, the things we are taught are symbols. He has absolutely no need to perform a prayer circle in his home. If this request is coming from Salt Lake, I can only respond as follows: I asked for and received permission from the Lord to post what I did. At times we may be asked to offer a public prayer, perhaps in a Church meeting or class. Not very pretty, but we sure know how to run things When we receive this opportunity, we should remember that we are communicating with Heavenly Father, not giving a public sermon. 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